39 - Michelle Gifford (Women with Fire) - Recognizing Your Purpose and Reaching Your Potential

aPics of me in Castle Dale-3 copy.jpg

In this episode, Michelle Gifford from Women with Fire shared with us her thoughts on Elder Pingree’s talk “I Have a Work for Thee,” from the October 2017 General Conference. As a woman with fire herself, Michelle talks about how she balances five different projects, family life, and her other responsibilities. Her insights about helping women find purpose in their lives are incredibly inspiring, and you’ll leave this interview with a few tips on exactly how to get started. Be sure to check out their podcast for more incredible stories of people putting all kinds of shoulders on all kinds of wheels!



38 - Westin Wilson (Steve Young of MMA) - Life Lessons Learned in the Cage


As a professional MMA fighter, Westin Wilson has made it his mission to spread the gospel. He is often referred to as “The Steve Young of MMA,” and in this episode sits down with us to talk about President Uchtdorf’s talk, “A Yearning for Home.” He shares with us the development of his testimony, life as a Mormon MMA fighter, and what “home” means after having grown up in a number of different states and continents.

Make no mistake about it, Westin Wilson is one of a kind, and you’re going to love what he has to say!


Interview recorded with Zencastr: https://zencastr.com/

37 - Cory Schow (Pilot Vlogs) - Finding and Preparing for God's Special Mission for You


Ever wondered how you could better use social media to share your testimony?

In this episode, Cory Schow of Pilot Vlogs discusses how Elder Pingree’s October 2017 talk “I Have a Work for Thee” inspired him to utilize the skills he developed as a successful vlogger and direct them towards sharing the gospel. He has a message for those who feel inadequate and unprepared to begin doing the work their Heavenly Father has prepared for them, and how to go about finding out what they can do to help in His plan.

Don't skip out early on this one, since Cory takes a minute near the end of the show to tell us a little bit about his future plans as a social media missionary!



36 - Responding to a Prophet's Call: The Impact of President Monson's Last Talk


Although this is being released in January, Jason and I had the idea to do this episode right after October's General Conference. So many talks that weekend referenced President Monson’s April 2017 challenge to read the Book of Mormon every day, and we thought it would be fitting to see how people responded to the call. We listened to the talks, prepared ourselves for the discussion, and scheduled to make it happen. Twice.

Each time, something came up. Our schedules just weren't having it.

I’m grateful that it took so long, though, because it finally worked out soon after President Monson’s passing. Having the discussion at this time allowed us to reflect on President Monson’s last General Conference talk as we remembered his life of service, also while preparing ourselves for the organization of a new First Presidency. How fitting that the focus of this episode was also how our new president of the church, President Russell M. Nelson, responded to the prophet’s challenge to read the Book of Mormon every day!

As a tribute to both of these great men, along with all others who bore testimony of the power of President Monson’s challenge, we hope you gain something from listening to our discussion.

Show Notes:

35 - Andrew Rail (Classical Mormons) - Finding Perfection Through Imperfection and Grace


Andrew Rail, the man behind Classical Mormons on Instagram, has an amazing backstory of gospel service. In this episode, he shares with us his thoughts on Elder Holland’s talk, “Be Ye Therefore Perfect… Eventually” from the October 2017 General Conference. Andrew brought some wisdom and a series of fascinating life experiences to Talks on Talks, and we know you’ll learn a thing or two from this man of many memes!


34 - Rosie Card (Q.Noor) - The Importance of Articulating our Faith and Listening to Others


Rosie Card is a former fashion model turned temple dress designer and public speaker. She owns and operates Q.NOOR, a line of temple and baptism dresses designed to help more women feel more comfortable in the House of the Lord. Rosie is passionate about helping women rise up to their full potential as disciples of Christ. She lives in Salt Lake with her goldendoodle, Ted, and is a proud pioneer of the stay-at-home YSA lifestyle.

In this episode, Wes sits down with Rosie to discuss the importance of articulating our faith. Rosie’s passion for getting people involved in “the wrestle” is infectious, and hopefully you leave the interview with a newfound desire to be creative in the ways you share your thoughts on the gospel with others.

This episode also pays special tribute to the memory of President Thomas S. Monson. We thank thee, O God, for our prophet!


Rosie’s favorite talk: Come what may and love it by Joseph B. Wirthlin: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2008/10/come-what-may-and-love-it?lang=eng

Sister Eubank talk, Turn on Your Light: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/turn-on-your-light?lang=eng

The pastor saying “Don’t judge the path that I’m walking,” from Elder Holland’s talks “Be Ye Therefore Perfect - Eventually”: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/be-ye-therefore-perfect-eventually?lang=eng

"A person's success in life can usually be measured by the number of uncomfortable conversations he or she is willing to have." - Tim Ferriss

“Are You Sleeping Through the Restoration?” by President Uchtdorf: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/04/are-you-sleeping-through-the-restoration?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lds-inspirational-messages-eng+%28Daily+Messages%29&lang=eng

Rough Stone Rolling by Richard Bushman: https://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Smith-Rough-Stone-Rolling/dp/1400077532

“Will You Engage in the Wrestle?” by Sister Sheri Dew: https://www.byui.edu/devotionals/sheri-dew

President Monson’s first address as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve: “I Stand at the Door and Knock: http://scriptures.byu.edu/gettalk.php?ID=1285

Music: “Homeward Bound” by Jonny Easton

33 - New Year's Resolutions from General Conference


The end of December is always abuzz with talks of New Year’s Resolutions, so we decided to do something different for this episode in honor of the hopeful changes for 2018. To help you develop New Year’s Resolutions, this episode is a quick trip through eight invitations from the October 2017 General Conference. Referencing these quotes will hopefully assist your as you make your goals!


32 - It's Beginning to Look a lot like a Christmas Devotional


In our last episode before Christmas, we thought it appropriate to sit down and review the First Presidency Devotional for 2017. We discuss the excellent talks from Sister Franco, Elder Duncan, and President Uchtdorf, and share how the Christmas season ties into our goals for 2018! This episode is packed full of quotes and references to other awesome resources, so be sure to follow the links in the show notes and learn even more about how the spirit of Christmas ties in to the rest of the year.


31 - Nate Fenwick Smith (Wait for the Moment) - A Visionary Man: Walking Unexpected Paths by Faith


We’re back! This time with an interview with Nate Fenwick Smith of the band Wait for the Moment. Nate shares with us some of his favorite quotes from the October 2017 General Conference and opens up about his career, his struggles, and the faith that keeps him going. Be sure to check out his band’s new album, “Visionaries”!

Show Notes:

Conference in Review - October 2017


It's only been a few days since conference, and we hope the messages are still ringing in your ears! In this episode, we discuss some of the highlights of the conference and give an overview of the talks that touched us. We are looking forward to our upcoming interviews with all of you about the conference and the messages that stood out to YOU, so please reach out and share with us your favorite quotes!

Prepare the Way - Making the Most of the Aaronic Priesthood


This is the final talk we were able to cover before the Sept/Oct General Conference of 2017. In it, we chat with Andrew Astin about Bishop Causse's talk "Prepare the Way," and we learn a lot about how to maximize the potential of our Aaronic Priesthood brethren. Andrew is a medical student in North Carolina, and he brings a wealth of knowledge to the table about all sorts of subjects. Don't forget to stick around for the Virtuous, Lovely, and Good Report when Andrew shares some amazing insight he received from one of his mentors!


  • The talk itself: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/04/prepare-the-way?lang=eng

  • President Ucthdorf’s talk on Alma and Amulek: https://www.talksontalks.com/podcast/2017/3/9/09-learn-from-alma-and-amulek-lessons-for-leaders-and-self-reflection?rq=alma

  • Elder Ballard’s talk “Return and Receive”: https://www.talksontalks.com/podcast/2017/9/2/return-and-receive-making-plans-and-going-for-the-goal-ed

  • From Jesus the Christ by James E. Talmage: “Even the profane sinner in the foul sacrilege of his oath acclaims the divine supremacy of Him whose name he desecrates.” (https://www.lds.org/manual/jesus-the-christ/chapter-1?lang=eng)

  • President John Taylor on “Boys will be men.”: “What will the boys be when they are grown up. They will be men, will they not? They are now the sons of men. If a man be inducted into the family of God, and becomes a son of God, what will he become when he gets his growth? You can figure that out yourselves.” This was used by President Taylor to show that we will become as God is, but it also clearly articulated Andrew’s point about boys turning into men!”

  • President Hinckley’s “Lessons I learned as a boy.” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naqX9iYE0V0

  • “Don’t be a donkey” - “The Ass of Buridan” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass

  • Andrew’s OB/GYN doctor on healing people spiritually - “They’re not going to allow you to try and help them spiritually, but you still can. Every single patient I have, no matter what, before I go into the room I say a quick, short prayer for them. That they’ll be able to feel the spirit and to be able to have some kind of spiritual health in their life, even if this is the only time that anyone prays for them.”

  • Music by Jonny Easton



Get to Know a Host - Wes!


We've had a great response to our last episode where Jason peeled back the layers and gave us a peek into how he views the world. In this episode, Jason turns the tables on Wes and we find out a little about him, as well!

We know you've come to Talks on Talks to learn about General Conference talks, but we hope that getting to know the hosts will help give some insight on to how they view the talks and what they hope to accomplish through this podcast! Thank you for listening!

Music: Homeward Bound by Jonny Easton

Return and Receive - How to Make Plans and Go for the "Goal-ed"


Most people like to think they are pretty good at setting goals. Anyone who has ever heard of a SMART goal is pretty sure they know what they’re doing, right? Well, in his talk Return and Receive, Elder M. Russell Ballard his insights on how we can make the most of our temporal and spiritual goals.

This episode captures our discussion on the differences between goals and plans, our methods for self-reflection and self-mastery, and how reading “The Family: A Proclamation to the World” without the context of “The Living Christ” makes no sense!

Don’t forget to stick around until the end of the episode for the Virtuous, Lovely, and Good Report, where we share resources that you can use in your own talks at church.


Overcoming the World - Taking a Stand Against Internal Foes


What keeps me from getting closer to the Savior? How could I do better? Is there anything that I need to remove from or add to my life in order to feel the Spirit more throughout the day? Discussing Elder Andersen’s talk “Overcoming the World” was a great chance for us to do some self-analysis and determine what things in the world are holding us back. The references in this episode were coming left and right, so be sure to check out the things we talk about after listening! Thank you!

Show Notes:

Stand Up Inside and Be All In - Living a Consecrated Life


It’s Summer 2017! That means a whole lot of work for medical and dental students, and a whole lot of family time during the brief moments away from school. That also means there’s not a lot of time for two Average Joes to podcast, so this episode comes almost a month after the last edition of Talks on Talks. We apologize to all those who have been actively listening and expecting a new episode weekly, but it’s here now and there are more to come!

In this episode we talk about Gary A. Sabin’s talk “Stand Up Inside and Be All In,” which has to be one of our favorite talks we’ve discussed so far (seriously, just listen and you’ll know how much Jason loved it). It had a little bit of everything and reminded us of a lot of other resources you can use to talk about this same concept. Hope you enjoy it!

Show References:

Songs Sung and Unsung - All God's Critters Got a Place in the Choir


This episode has been a long time coming! After a brief hiatus, we’re back with this excellent discussion on Elder Holland’s talk “Songs Sung and Unsung.” We discuss diversity, differing perspectives on theologies, and the importance of learning how to keep things sacred. There are a mountain of show notes attached to this episode, so we hope you can dig in and enjoy all the extra content here!


Show Notes:

The talk: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/04/songs-sung-and-unsung?lang=eng

Elder Holland’s Master’s Thesis on the Book of Mormon changes: http://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/etd/4800/

Elder Holland on his dissertation on Mark Twain: https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/jeffrey-r-holland_soul-butter-hogwash-mark-twain-frontier-religion/

Quote: Jim Rohn - “You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.”

Theologian on religious diversity - Krister Stendahl - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krister_Stendahl

Church’s video on temples - “Between Heaven and Earth” - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8DF84EB9BE8345BD

Article comparing social media’s ideals and mommy blogging with pornography: http://mike-thayer.com/lifestyle-porn/

Alma on prayers being in vain if we don’t care for the poor - Alma 34:28.

Elder Holland’s talk on Mental Illness - Like a Broken Vessel - https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2013/10/like-a-broken-vessel?lang=eng

The ranking of General Conference talks by complexity: http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2014/03/15/general-conference-talk-complexity-by-speaker-and-by-session/#more-10623

Face to Face Fireside with President Eyring and Elder Holland

Quote from Brandon Sanderson’s “The Well of Ascension”: “Those who take lightly promises they make to those they love are people who find little lasting satisfaction in life. This is not an easy time in which to live. That does not mean that it has to be a difficult time to love”

St. Augustine’s quote on evil: “Since God is the highest good, he would not allow any evil to exist in his works unless his omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil.”

James E. Faust’s talk, The Great Imitator. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1987/10/the-great-imitator?lang=eng

Music: “Homeward Bound” by Johnny Easton

Becoming A Disciple of Our Lord Jesus Christ - Connections Between Christlike Attributes and Repentance


These episodes just keep getting longer and longer! We think it’s worth it, though, because Elder Hales’ talk “Becoming a Disciple of Our Lord Jesus Christ” had so much to discuss. We talk about Christlike attributes and how they’re all connected with one another. We also touch on how repentance plays into the mix and share a fun fact about Elder Hales getting bullied by a local paper as a high school baseball pitcher. This is not an episode to miss!

Links from the show:

21 - Trust in the Lord and Lean Not - How Young Single Adults Rely on The Doctrine of Christ


This episode covers our first ever talk from the General Women’s Session and our first ever remote interview! Our guest is Aubrey Eggett, a pre-medical student at the University of Colorado at Boulder (and Wes’ sister!). She shares with us some of the unique struggles of Young Single Adult members of the church and how Sister Bonnie H. Cordon’s talk “Trust in the Lord and Lean Not” can help those members refocus on the doctrine of Christ.


20 - Drawing the Power of Jesus Christ into Our Lives - Understanding the Context of Our Covenants


With episode 20 of the podcast, we’re in the double digits twice over! Thank you for sticking with us and checking out our podcast. In this episode, we talk about President Russell M. Nelson’s talks “Drawing the Power of Jesus Christ into Our Lives” from the April 2017 General Conference. The conversation focuses on President Nelson’s suggestions as to how we can draw Christ’s power into our lives, touching on topics like the proper understanding of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, being vigilant to notice when we’re going down sinful paths, and the fact that praying for humility is a dangerous business! Again, thanks for listening to the podcast, and we’re excited to get into the 20s!